BTW, where did you left the BBQ from last year ?

at least, we could have something to talk while you cook your next update that I hope will bring something groundbreaking and amazing...not the same old half-baked features.

and forget about the Social...it is already dead thanks to Pandora in the iPhone/iPod Touch.

I see both sides of the argument as well. Another good example of when I would like to edit is when I listen to my friend's playlist (of whom might have "embarrassing" tastes for a hardcore rocker such as myself) and then those songs show up on my recently played.

I am strongly in favor of being able to edit the playlist.  I have a ten year old and an eight year old who share a Zune.  They dont listen to much pop yet, and their zune is full of ripped MP3s from all of their kid CDs, but when they do start listening to music on my zune pass, I dont want them to mess my play count up with Hannah Montana, and totally ruin my Barry Manilow "favorite listener" status.

Oh yeah, I'd like to remove some items... like when I get stuck in a song loop and play the same song over and over, 20 times in a row.  :)

You do have the option of playing the music in Windows Media Player first.  Doesn't count for Zune plays, but you can still play it.  I haven't tried this with Zune Pass music, but it works fine with normal and purchased songs.

Personally I don't care that people see everything I play. I am who I am and I'm fine with that. Even when some of those plays are Blue's Biggest Songs its no biggy I can take it.

So from that point of view if you guys had to choose between making play data maskable and doing something else I can't even imagine at this point I'm 100% for the thing I can't imagine.

I would LOVE to be able to edit my play data.  I share my Zune Pass with two other people in my family.  One of them loves High School Musical... I can't stand it.  But when she streams the songs from the Zune Marketplace, it goes on my Zune Card.  Because of this, I'm forced to set my Zune Social profile so that only I can view it.

I would love to be able to remove these embarassing songs (even though I never listened to them) from my Zune Card.  Please, please add this feature!

I am in the "no" group that the social is about being who you really are.

Then again, what if our heart (you know the love it/hate it) icons were used to help really identify who we are and what we listen to?

I think in the interests of identity and privacy the answer would be yes.

I don't think the ability for full editing is necessary, but it would be nice if you could temporarily turn off reporting.

I think you should be able to remove plays. Or mark albums as, don't record plays. I also think that Microsoft should be partnering with Last.fm with scrobbling.

Remove? No. But for example if you can toggle if you want plays counted or not, that's fine. Example, toggle it off, /then/ listen to a song, that doesn't get recorded. Toggle it back on, then everything does get counted. To be able to go back and just simply remove a play is lame, the people trying to be conspicuous should plan ahead.

I'm thinking that yes you should be able to edit your plays. My girlfriend uses my zune and adds songs to my zune card that i would never listen to it. I think you should be able to right click on an artist/album/song in the software and choose not to count it as a play.

I don't think this is really a must have feature so take ye're time and get some more cool stuff in there first!

Having the option to edit would be nice. With the new Auto-playlists dragging stuff up that I had forgotten I even had in my collection some weird things I don't endorse have been showing up.

Though as a constant listener to Live music I would put this below the need to play FLAC and recognize Live performances from places like Archive.org and bt.etree.org.

Just my 2cents

Also could you clear up a question I have?

Are the number of plays stored on your local machine or on the social server? I just bought a new computer and it seems like the number of plays has for some things went down after I reinstalled. But I wasn't paying too much attention so it could just be me. Thanks

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Easy, Is Microsoft in business?

If people are not able to hide plays for their own unique reasons then they will choose not to use/purchase this Microsoft product/service combination.

They are not their to police peoples reasons for privacy.

So the choice is easy.

If Microsoft is not in business but instead some other agency social, security or otherwise then go ahead. Your goal is the TOTAL honesty and open-ness of their users.

I definitely agree that this is an ongoing "oddity". There is definitely some value to letting users 'Edit' their Play data, but by the same token any such implementation would be VERY User Unfriendly and cumbersome, no matter how hard you try.

So here's my idea:

Any song played less than 2 times (or 1 time, or 3 times) within the last week (or some other time-period of your choosing), doesn't appear! It is that simple!

I know I left some variables in the air, but you do have some actual data to help you decide this, Zune team!

I think that one should be able to remove songs from their play history. My biggest argument for this is that often times I download free music that I may or may not like, and there have been many times that I listen half-way through an album to finally admit that the entire album is not worth keeping.

More importantly, these journeys in my musical exploration are the outer edges of my music taste; more often than not they don't reflect music that I actually like, they only show music that I have listened to [experimented with] at one point.

We all have a side of us we are mildly ashamed of. Thats what I like about Zune Social.

I LOVE looking at my friends profiles, and seeing someone has been listening to some 90s boy band. It makes me laugh a little bit, and I dont feel at all ashamed when I listen to something slightly embarrassing, because I know all my friends have listened to something just as embarrassing as well.  

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I like that you can't hide your music tastes, I think it's great when you see a cheesy song pop up in between someone's ultra-cool this band is so indie even I haven't heard it yet playlist.  I love Crystal Castles and Skinny Puppy but yeah, I have a sweet tooth for things like t.A.T.u.

I think a better way of highlighting your different musical sides would be via custom playlists exposed on your card.  Right now it's really just a running stream of tracks but I'd like to feature a playlist instead, or have only my fav'd songs appear.  Still allow others to explore every aspect of your card, after all that's how I discover a lot of music, but adjust the "default" feed so people can focus it more.

From my perspective it's better to allow people the ability to highlight certain aspects of themselves instead of focusing on ways of editing themselves down.  Oddly enough there are even someone people that don't care what other's think of their musical tastes :)

I used to be on the "edit" side, but the more I thought about it the more I realized people would game the system (even more than is capable now). I don't so much care about being able to remove songs from my play order (it's easy enough to just play 24 new songs to cover it up), but I will admit I'm a bit embarassed "Baby I Love Your Way" by Big Mountain is my #2 most played song this month. It'd be nice to be able to "hide" one or two most played songs a month (if we had some sort of quota, e.g.)

I like that Zune tracks plays; building histograms can be fun and show you bizzare trends in your listening habits. If the data were more exposed so you could relate it to your local weather patterns ("depressing music on sunny days?"), such as through a consumable web service, that'd be awesome and open up community driven development and tools.

That said, it would be nice to have "levels of exposure" for plays, similar to how Facebook's privacy controls operate. An example would be "favorite artists." Zune Social could, by default, show this information publicly. The varying levels of exposure could kick in here though--"everyone," "friends," "friends of friends;" nothing changes in terms of data collection.

Zune cards are already nicely categorized; creating exposure levels for these would, I believe, nicely serve a middle ground attitude.

I think it is a great idea. Although, I personally don't really care what's on my recent play list...but it would still be a useful feature, imo.

I have to admit, there are times when I want to hide the fact that I enjoy certain types of music.  My taste is extremely eclectic, but not always cool.  And I've debated whether or not to quickly play the heck out of "more acceptable" artist to override that one indulgence.  Then I settle down, and decide to just "man up".  I like music, from Metallica to Barry Manilow, to She & Him.  That's who I am.  So, I'm saying leave it.  Don't be afraid of who you are, embrace it.

At first the list altered my playing preference - did I want people to know that I liked Ingwie Malmsteen covering ABBA? Well, I soon got over it. I think that if it really bothers me, then I can select that my Zune identity doesn't have to link to anything else.

What I want is the ability to click and set a custom eq for a particular song on my Zune. I hope that time is not spent on building a play history editor. Or just tell me - where is the data and I will make one for you.

I think they should reflect who you are and show what you're listening to even if it IS Miley Curtis. If not, then you're not really making it you now are you?

I don't care what other people think about what I listen to. I pride myself on what I like to listen to. Even if it was Britney Spears. It doesn't make me more or less manly.

How about showing the heart rating next to the plays?

If you're just trying the music out, and it turns out you hate it, just flag it with a broken heart, and everyone will know you hate it, despite it being on your list.

I'm in the middle on this one too.  On one hand, I agree that the occasional embaressing track should not be able to be deleted, as it truely reflects who you are.  On the other hand, I have a lot of baby lullibies that I play all night for my newborn, and that adds TONS of plays to my list.  These plays are not really for me, though, so it doesn't really reflect.  All in all, it's not too big of a deal and would be low on my priority list.

My first reaction is that your plays should show up as your plays, cheesy or otherwise. Who cares what other people think? If you want to role play, spend more time on WoW. If you're being disingenuous about who you really are, in a way you're only hurting yourself by not opening yourself up to the possibility of discovering some really great music through the Social based on your true interests.

And no, you should not be in any way embarrassed by your choice of music. And I'm not just saying that because I like a lot of the same stuff you listen to. ;)

I think this is a great idea, because my wife and I share the same Zune Pass, so her music sometimes shows up on my Zune Card, and her musical tastes are VERY different from mine. I don't particularly want people to look at my Card and think I listen to Steven Curtis Chapman and Chris Rice.

I'm on the 'no' side, but I really wouldn't care if you guys rolled it out - it's definitly a piss poor way to spend your time though.  Give us the things we've been clamoring for since you gave us a flashy player with half the feature set of WMP; most notably a real 5 star rating system, not this useless heart system.

I'd also love to see you guys let us sync the Zune to WMP if we want.  I love the social, but WMP is a better player, and locking people out is no fun at all.

I don't like the idea of being able to delete items from your playcount for the same reason you mentioned, but here's a simple solution: just as we have the option to not sync music rated as "hated", perhaps we could have the option to not include music rated as "hated" in your playcount either?

I think if we had more robust visualization of all our playcount data, this problem would kind of go away.

For example, if you go to my last.fm profile, you're greeted with a list of my recently played tracks, and a list of my top artists overall. If [lame track] were on my recently played list, it would not be there for long because I listen to like 150 songs a day. And [lame track] would obviously never appear in my list of top artists.

See, if you listen to a lot of music all the time, then lame tracks naturally become outliers, aberrations, and soon vanish. So, the simplest solution is not to delete the lame track, it's to bury it.

i think u should be able to change waht your friends see because i have a zune pass and try out a lot of new stuff. and some of it sucks and my friends listen to when they see it on my card and ask me about it later.

Jessica,

I think that plays should be reflected as they are played, because that shows how people really listen.  Some listeners may be self-conscious about what other people think of their music, but I feel that the Zune community is pretty accepting of all tastes and styles.  

We all listen to cheesy stuff, but what's cheesy today is hip in 10 years anyway.

Rich

I don't know where to leave some feedback on this most recent Zune Software update; so I'm leaving it here Mr. Menendez. I love the new update, adding a ton of new features I've craved to see in the music playing software, such as the "Now Playing" page keeping my current song within view always (I use random all the time and this was a big drawback to using the software), hiding the Now Playing list when the program is not in direct use, the only thing I'd like to see is the use of global shortcuts for volume and next song...etc. when I'm browsing and don't feel like switching to the program.

Cheers to the improvements!

Also, before I forget absolutely love the renaming feature if you have a burned album that Zune doesn't recognize, it makes it SOOOOooo easy to link it to the actual album via Zune's database. Major props!

hiding plays kinda defeats th purpose of a public playlist, doesnt it? terrible idea.

Being able to remove plays is a great feature for some but I'd prefer not to have it. The reason for this is that it causes people to hide songs they don't want others to see. I think its fun seeing other people's true plays because it shows their true character.

I personally don't care one way or another but I can see how some may feel threatened if someone sees they are playing uncool music.

What I would like to see is a web browser like tie touch has.  While you're at it please give the Xbox 360 a browser too!

I think everything should be customizable. But maybe, play counts should be variable, with one setting showing everything you play (like it currently is), and another only showing stats for the artists you play past a certain threshold.

Yes we should be able to edit our zune card!

I think it would be a neat feature to delete plays from your profile, because when you listen to a audio-book or I-doser tracks.

I'm all for having some say in what I'm showing, whether I choose to actually exercise the option to do so or not.

One thing I would like, since (very slowly) the Zune team and Xbox team are interoperating more, is whatever final decision is made for the Zune Card will also apply to the Gamer Card. I'm more interested in deleting references to old games I no longer own or trial XBLA games that I never bought.

On a personal level, I wish you could, because sometimes I listen to recorded talk radio or something, and I don't want that showing up with my music plays... and other times my sister uses the Zune software without logging me out... which can lead to some awkward plays showing up as well.  Personally I think the people who would remove their "embarassing" plays are self conscious freaks...but on the other hand the ability to remove erroneous plays would be nice.  Maybe you could provide it and then put a little something on the profile that notes how many plays have been deleted.

Why don't we see an equalizer option which the chip in the zune obviously will support sound spectrum tweaks? Also why isn't there a tentative listing somewhere showing what you guys are working on and a place to put in requests for tweaks and additions? You should learn from Dell that your customers have the best ideas of how to use and design a product not the marketing schmos in a padded carpeted office.

Lesson learned....next time I keep my mouth shut. :|

Edit please.  I keep some kids stuff on my Zune for my 6-year-old, and don't like it showing up on my card.  There could even be regulatory reasons to allow editing - what if someone was listening to a highly personal/sensitive audio book on their Zune?  I can think of some scenarios where this could be a problem, and the simple way out is to allow editing.

On a similar note, would love to see a supported API to add music.  While some would immediately "game" the system, who cares?  Those of us who listen to more than just our Zune (I'm personally a big XM Radio listener) feel that our Zune card is missing a tremendous amount of the picture.  Last.fm has a great approach, and I think the Zune Social can learn from it.

I say just leave as it is. As somebody posted earlier "hiding plays kinda defeats the purpose of a public playlist, doesn't it?"

I play some pretty lame tunes now and then and honestly I don't care if the whole world knows. After all isn't beauty in the eye of the beholder.

i totally disagree to the editing of the cards......cuz its not what zune is about....

its all about "sharing"....sharing the experiences........having someone laugh at us....when we played classical music...while we fell asleep....thats an experience

showing how nuts we get at the gym....thats an experience...

*and to those people that share zunes or tags....thats part of your life...

*this entire debate would not happen if we would be able to edit.......

what I'm trying to say is that the cards are showing the soundtrack from our lives...why would you like the edit that????....

@Cloverfield: I'm not sure if stuff like audiobooks/podcasts/unrecognized music is added to your play count?

I think I'm the reason this post came up in the first place.

The reason I wanted to see if it was an option is I listen to one track everynight to help me sleep ... which I'm sure some others do.

The problem is my zune social thinks I only listen to one song. I'm currently the top listener for ocean sound track ;)

I don't mind people seeing what I listen to, but my kids also share our media library, and everytime they play High School Musical or some other pap it shows up on my list of plays.  My profile is currently showing my most played songs as artists I have never heard of!  I would either like some way of stopping their plays from showing up on my profile (and no, they are not linked to my account - the just use the same PC, and they don't have their own accounts - too young) or let me delete songs from my played list please.

No editing - please!

Testing, reviewing, error, cries of "you're kidding" mean absolutely nothing to me when it comes to my playlist.

My Zune is me and the artists that make up my playlist are pieces of me - my collage, if you will.

Marilyn Manson's "Beautiful People" - Barbra Streisand's "Yentl" soundtrack - Chanticleer's "How Sweet the Sound" spiritual and gospel - Jay-Z's "Dirt Off My Shoulder" - Johnny Taylor's "Jody's Got Your Girl..." (my dad introduced me to blues) - Janis Joplin's everything - Jean-Claude Casadesus' "La Damnation de Faust" - everything music from the 60's and 70's.

Never hide - this is me at my best.

"Am I sailing? Yeah, ah yeah!" (Red Hot Chili Peppers)

I don't see the controversy.  Sure i should be able to edit it.  BUT, I don't have to.  Any time you give folks options, they will devise unique ways to use it.

So I download some fancy remix of my  favorite Springsteen song and replace an earlier copy with this.  No play data, doesn't show up on my favorite list.  No problem. push up the play could and my new song is where it should be.

Free your "custom"ers.

\\uZlackr

I vote that we should be able to edit it. My reasoning, is that I share my Zune with my husband and he listens to comedy cds and whiny emo bands so now thanks to him, Dane Cook and Tenacious D are my top artists on my Zune card. Yeah sure I like them, but I don't listen to them therefore I don't want them on my Zune card, I would rather be able to erase them off and anything else he listens to so that way my card reflects MY listening habits, not my husbands. I don't really care what people think of my listening such as having a really awesome band right before I listen to Britney Spears. I could care less what other people think, I just want my card to reflect what I like because I like to see what I listen to the most.